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		By: Michelle		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is the way things should be, get off what we are on now]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the way things should be, get off what we are on now</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://ounodesign.com/2009/07/02/whatever-happened-to-the-beatles-ashram-in-rishikesh/#comment-753&quot;&gt;LB&lt;/a&gt;.

The decisions we&#039;re not aware of are often the most interesting!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://ounodesign.com/2009/07/02/whatever-happened-to-the-beatles-ashram-in-rishikesh/#comment-753">LB</a>.</p>
<p>The decisions we&#8217;re not aware of are often the most interesting!</p>
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		By: admin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://ounodesign.com/2009/07/02/whatever-happened-to-the-beatles-ashram-in-rishikesh/#comment-752&quot;&gt;mick willis&lt;/a&gt;.

John, I completely agree. It&#039;s so easy to make these reductive associations, and one also has to check one&#039;s desire to to make every object some sort of complicated cultural text to be read. You run the risk of being plain wrong at best and inflammatory or ridiculous at worst. But I do think that objects do contain a whole raft of cultural baggage, even when they seem random. It must be impossible to make an object that&#039;s purely &quot;meaningless&quot; or that is completely free of intention or associations, whether conscious or unconscious, or that is purely random. So many hundreds of decisions are made in the making of something, and most of these are culturally conditioned in some way or other that we&#039;re not even aware of. However, I agree that with some objects, what seems to be a cultural meaning often turns out to have more to do with choices that had more to do with function, materials, structure, cost, availability etc. so that reading into it becomes a bit ridiculous. And no culture is so homogenous that every artisan will represent the biases (and, say, bigotry) of the majority. Many objects and their makers ran against the cultural grain or had an entirely different and more complicated intellectual and cultural provenance than we might assume. Anyway, like the best art pieces, objects that contain a lot of internal ambiguities really lend themselves to rampant speculation. Maybe that&#039;s why we don&#039;t chuck them out. I had this in my living room for many years and I don&#039;t think I ever had a guest who didn&#039;t comment on it or ask questions, so it earned its keep as a conversation piece.I am hoping someone will find this photo online and actually know when and where it came from, so that all my childhood questions can be put to rest, but I&#039;m sure that&#039;s overoptimistic. Thanks everybody for these very interesting thoughts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://ounodesign.com/2009/07/02/whatever-happened-to-the-beatles-ashram-in-rishikesh/#comment-752">mick willis</a>.</p>
<p>John, I completely agree. It&#8217;s so easy to make these reductive associations, and one also has to check one&#8217;s desire to to make every object some sort of complicated cultural text to be read. You run the risk of being plain wrong at best and inflammatory or ridiculous at worst. But I do think that objects do contain a whole raft of cultural baggage, even when they seem random. It must be impossible to make an object that&#8217;s purely &#8220;meaningless&#8221; or that is completely free of intention or associations, whether conscious or unconscious, or that is purely random. So many hundreds of decisions are made in the making of something, and most of these are culturally conditioned in some way or other that we&#8217;re not even aware of. However, I agree that with some objects, what seems to be a cultural meaning often turns out to have more to do with choices that had more to do with function, materials, structure, cost, availability etc. so that reading into it becomes a bit ridiculous. And no culture is so homogenous that every artisan will represent the biases (and, say, bigotry) of the majority. Many objects and their makers ran against the cultural grain or had an entirely different and more complicated intellectual and cultural provenance than we might assume. Anyway, like the best art pieces, objects that contain a lot of internal ambiguities really lend themselves to rampant speculation. Maybe that&#8217;s why we don&#8217;t chuck them out. I had this in my living room for many years and I don&#8217;t think I ever had a guest who didn&#8217;t comment on it or ask questions, so it earned its keep as a conversation piece.I am hoping someone will find this photo online and actually know when and where it came from, so that all my childhood questions can be put to rest, but I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s overoptimistic. Thanks everybody for these very interesting thoughts.</p>
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		By: Eva		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eva]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A very interesting debate. These symbolic connections might be there, although not intended. The basic theme seems to be something that most people aren&#039;t aware of, as long as it is happening: Zeitgeist. I&#039;m not yet convinced that the beings below the babies are male; the idea that these things might be leftovers of some toy factory is quite charming. The ten holes are inexplicable unless this is a long forgotten game.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting debate. These symbolic connections might be there, although not intended. The basic theme seems to be something that most people aren&#8217;t aware of, as long as it is happening: Zeitgeist. I&#8217;m not yet convinced that the beings below the babies are male; the idea that these things might be leftovers of some toy factory is quite charming. The ten holes are inexplicable unless this is a long forgotten game.</p>
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		By: John Hopper		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hopper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wasn&#039;t implying that the toy was of Nazi origin. What I meant was that it is sometimes difficult to see Germany before WWII without a nazi dynamic. For example, we can talk about the Bauhaus and design, but the issue of politics and Nazi conflict with the Bauhaus will always be a part of the Bauhaus, there is no avoiding it.

If this toy had been produced in pre WWII Britain then we might be making suggestions about the British colonial attitude to their Empire, the same with France. If it was American, then there would be other issues, what does the black baby really mean? etc.

I suppose what I am trying to say is that we can sometimes read more into a &#039;made in...&#039; label because we have preconceived ideas and attitudes towards the history or culture of that country, despite trying our best not to, and of course sometimes a wooden toy is just a wooden toy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t implying that the toy was of Nazi origin. What I meant was that it is sometimes difficult to see Germany before WWII without a nazi dynamic. For example, we can talk about the Bauhaus and design, but the issue of politics and Nazi conflict with the Bauhaus will always be a part of the Bauhaus, there is no avoiding it.</p>
<p>If this toy had been produced in pre WWII Britain then we might be making suggestions about the British colonial attitude to their Empire, the same with France. If it was American, then there would be other issues, what does the black baby really mean? etc.</p>
<p>I suppose what I am trying to say is that we can sometimes read more into a &#8216;made in&#8230;&#8217; label because we have preconceived ideas and attitudes towards the history or culture of that country, despite trying our best not to, and of course sometimes a wooden toy is just a wooden toy.</p>
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		By: admin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, I really wasn&#039;t implying the toy was Nazi. North American toys from this period were very similar at least on the race question - there were plenty of weird examples. I don&#039;t think German toys were special in this regard. I only mentioned the stamp because it conveniently allows the object to be dated as pre-WWII. And I agree with Eva&#039;s comment that someone with Nazi sympathies would probably not include a black baby. (Thanks for the links; I did think those toys looked much more classically Nutcracker Suite than this one, but bauhaus made more sense.) I thought abacus too, and that makes the most sense, but then what are the holes for? The thing about design though is that sometimes you seek meaning where there is none and that could well be the case here. But when you look at an object for this long you eventually start wondering. I still have questions. Why would a German toy show policemen who look more like English Bobbies than anything? Or are those steel helmets? Or just toques? Where are the women? Why men and babies? As a child, I found it completely inexplicable. Maybe it&#039;s a case of having a variety of little spinning figures left over in the factory and they just randomly added them to these generic frames, but I can never quite believe in the &quot;random&quot; explanation. When&#039;s a cigar just a cigar?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I really wasn&#8217;t implying the toy was Nazi. North American toys from this period were very similar at least on the race question &#8211; there were plenty of weird examples. I don&#8217;t think German toys were special in this regard. I only mentioned the stamp because it conveniently allows the object to be dated as pre-WWII. And I agree with Eva&#8217;s comment that someone with Nazi sympathies would probably not include a black baby. (Thanks for the links; I did think those toys looked much more classically Nutcracker Suite than this one, but bauhaus made more sense.) I thought abacus too, and that makes the most sense, but then what are the holes for? The thing about design though is that sometimes you seek meaning where there is none and that could well be the case here. But when you look at an object for this long you eventually start wondering. I still have questions. Why would a German toy show policemen who look more like English Bobbies than anything? Or are those steel helmets? Or just toques? Where are the women? Why men and babies? As a child, I found it completely inexplicable. Maybe it&#8217;s a case of having a variety of little spinning figures left over in the factory and they just randomly added them to these generic frames, but I can never quite believe in the &#8220;random&#8221; explanation. When&#8217;s a cigar just a cigar?</p>
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		By: Eva		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think you should keep it, it might be interesting for someone who collects these things, see lower link; the gentleman is a collector and also produces series like this. If you need translation, I&#039;ll gladly try to be helpful.
(this doesn&#039;t need to be published)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should keep it, it might be interesting for someone who collects these things, see lower link; the gentleman is a collector and also produces series like this. If you need translation, I&#8217;ll gladly try to be helpful.<br />
(this doesn&#8217;t need to be published)</p>
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		By: Eva		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess so. You are looking for some intelligence behind it. I&#039;d rather think it is too early to be from the Nazi era and too abstract. I feel like connecting it with some bauhaus design ideas. In this case, the helmets are just decorative shapes, compare with Oskar Schlemmer. &quot;Triadisches Ballett&quot;. Babies cry because it is their job.
A Nazi toy would probably not have included a black child. They pretended that something unwanted simply wasn&#039;t there, I believe.
http://www.antiquariat-libelle.ch/pit/langfritzlis.jpg
There is a tradition of highly abstract folk art from the mountain range &quot;Erzgebirge&quot; between Germany and Tchechoslovakia.
http://www.kleine-welten-in-holz.de/sammlung/a001.jpg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess so. You are looking for some intelligence behind it. I&#8217;d rather think it is too early to be from the Nazi era and too abstract. I feel like connecting it with some bauhaus design ideas. In this case, the helmets are just decorative shapes, compare with Oskar Schlemmer. &#8220;Triadisches Ballett&#8221;. Babies cry because it is their job.<br />
A Nazi toy would probably not have included a black child. They pretended that something unwanted simply wasn&#8217;t there, I believe.<br />
<a href="http://www.antiquariat-libelle.ch/pit/langfritzlis.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.antiquariat-libelle.ch/pit/langfritzlis.jpg</a><br />
There is a tradition of highly abstract folk art from the mountain range &#8220;Erzgebirge&#8221; between Germany and Tchechoslovakia.<br />
<a href="http://www.kleine-welten-in-holz.de/sammlung/a001.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.kleine-welten-in-holz.de/sammlung/a001.jpg</a></p>
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		By: John Hopper		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a strange toy. I have sat here trying to make logical sense of it. It&#039;s German so it must have some logical purpose to it, but what? Each band has five pieces and there are ten holes at the bottom. Is it a child&#039;s abacus?

I&#039;m sure it is an innocent enough educational toy, though because it is German and pre WWII/Nazi, it does make it unsettling, but perhaps we are adding 2+2 and getting 5!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a strange toy. I have sat here trying to make logical sense of it. It&#8217;s German so it must have some logical purpose to it, but what? Each band has five pieces and there are ten holes at the bottom. Is it a child&#8217;s abacus?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it is an innocent enough educational toy, though because it is German and pre WWII/Nazi, it does make it unsettling, but perhaps we are adding 2+2 and getting 5!</p>
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